Krieger vs shilen vs bartlein. Jun 11, 2005 151 2 74 middle GA.

Krieger vs shilen vs bartlein They are still great barrels IMHO. Shilen gets talked about and has some fans for sure but I figure its kind of a roll of the dice anyways. Are they fairly new on the US scene? Full range of types, calibres, profiles etc like Krieger and Bartlein? As to the OP, I'm another in the both makes are great camp. I can source shilen barrels from my supplier however I think he can order bartlein. Aug 8, 2022 #3 Mar 15, 2010 · Re: KREIGER Barrels VS HART Barrels They are both great quality barrels and there are many other barrel makers as well that produce great barrels like Shilen,Rock creek and the list goes on. timmymic Well-Known Member. I chose the Shilen Ratchet barrel and I'm very very happy with my choice. Sep 8, 2023 · When I ordered my Vudoo V22S they had Krieger, Bartlein, Benchmark and Shilen blanks in stock. 1 of 2 Go to page. Have been very happy with all, but my all time hands down best barrel maker that I use is Bartlein. 5x47 had one rock creek . Cut rifled vs. Still most of the muzzlebrakes and silencers are threaded for 5/8, i think i will have to ask all these details to the barrel manufacturer. When I rebarrel my hunting rifle, it'll probably be with another Savage Shooters > Savage/Stevens Firearm Boards > 110-Series Rifles > Bartlein vs. chefcam864 Discussion starter. Every barrel is unique, even from the best. Will get some seating depth tests loaded up and shot so we can move to Jun 6, 2019 · Like my 3 Rock Creeks, 2 Shilen MS, 2 Kriegers. individual barrel differences will be more important than Kreiger vs. 00 for Green Mountain to Shilen Match and Douglas (150. Other? PDA. 6. Reply. Now i just have to decide between Krieger and Bartlein. Jump to Latest 20K views 26 replies 16 participants last post by Lougotzz Aug 23, 2012. Also look at Bartlein. May 14, 2021. Bonjour, Il existe aussi les canons shilen, Müller, border, lothar Walther. As Frank stated as long as my smith did his job I've never own one the Mar 5, 2025 · The CM was a booger to break in, but puts 190 SMKs into bitty groups with its 10 twist. So, how do I choose? Just looking to get better than 1/2” groups at 100 yds with long range hunting May 3, 2010 · I've had great barrels from Krieger for 20+ years, a couple of great Shilen's and I've got a Broughton on order right now in 6. DOUGLAS. Consistent sub MOA all day long for 5 shot groups. I want a 5r 1-8 twist ans ss. I like Krieger, but have moved to Bartlein. Dec 20, 2019 · Howdy all, trying to decide between the two barrel brands at Northland for a savage gun I'm building. I’d gladly run anything proof makes. Krieger, with the lower taper of their barrels, seem to give more margin for muzzle threading. Jan 18, 2025 · Re: Hart, Kreiger or Bartlein? Originally Posted By: OnemoretimeOriginally Posted By: Frank GreenA button barrel can be a good barrel. Aug 23, 2009 · I am sure Paul Craddock is as well, but put many months in your timeline, or buy a Criterion or Lilja barrel that is pre fitted for what you want. 005). Both offer 5R, but it will cost you on the Krieger and equalize the prices between them. Krieger have typically run the fastest per caliber for me, but Bartlein and Hawk Hill have always been good barrels. Jan 21, 2020 · on my third bartlein all have been great . Which takes me back to crown ridge. Oct 5, 2004 · Every barrel maker weather it be a remington Shilen Krieger or whom ever can make a lemon barrel from time to time, but hey can also make a real hammer as well. Feb 19, 2021 · Bartlein and Krieger are two of, if not the two top barrel brands currently. The heavy Krieger & Bartlein are so close - on a given day, one may be Javascript is required. Price and availability make them desirable to me, especially after waiting 5 months for my krieger. I posted on here about it asking if anyone had seen or heard any issues. F. i believe krieger was/is the same. Honestly, I can't tell the difference between any of them. I’ll go with the Shilen ratchet . Shilen vs. I can source Jun 6, 2019 · Just Googled them. 5) and really enjoy them but am looking for a dedicated SPR. F-TR Bartlein vs Krieger and Barrel length / Twist rate. Sep 15, 2013 · I'd easily take a Krieger, Bartlein, Brux, Obermeyer for cut barrels or a Hart, Shilen, Broughton, or Lilja for buttoned tubes. View Full Version : Bartlein vs. Today I think Krieger is probably the top of the tier 1s with Nov 15, 2019 · It is clear that a Shilen from NSS would be quicker and cheaper. Kickin45; Dec 3, 2024 Jan 5, 2019 · Krieger Barrels had another strong showing, with 10% of these shooters using one of their barrels. I agree with Pa Hog on "Broughton 5C/Kreiger/Lilja/" as some of the best ones Feb 19, 2021 · Bartlein and Krieger are two of, if not the two top barrel brands currently. Next Last. While I don’t own a Krieger, I’ve seen a bunch that performed exceptionally well. 1:13 twist. Krieger has been Aug 18, 2021 · 25 to 30 years ago I would have said Douglas or Shilen as I had a couple of customs built in the 90s with them that shot lights out. Krieger is still the Oct 28, 2023 · I read it, thanks. After doing a lot of reading on the various forums, I have come to the conclusion that the LaRue is considered one of the most accurate of the cheaper barrels (especially while they are on sale) while the Bartlein or Krieger are considered two of Apr 26, 2011 · Re: Shilen accuracy: Select Match Grade vs Match Grade My smith won't use anything but Rock, Pac Nor, or Bartlein. They all shot remarkably well, most likely because whomever chambered them did a great job. Frank Sergeant. They were wrong. 1; 2; Next. That included two of the top 10 finishers in the PRS and 1 of the top 10 shooters in the NRL. JumpinLegs; Oct 9, 2023; 3 4 5 May 30, 2024 · I've seen these type of questions asked before and the answer is often "either one". I put a Shilen on my 300 PRC, they are made here in Tx, and I just wanted Mar 27, 2018 · Im going to re-barrel a rifle in 264 win mag, and was wondering if there’s any preference for a Bartlein vs Brux barrel? Going with a 3B/#5 respectively and a 1/8 twist for 140gr bullets. Full Member. I am building a 6. Bartlein. Some stating they wont even chamber Bartlein 5R's, and would only chamber Krieger 4 grooves, vice versa, etc. etc. Border barrels are a mystery to me. Pretty consistent performance on each. Read a post not to long ago about this and everyone picked bartlein because of their modern machining ( using cnc's to do gain twist and such); Secondly people picked bartlein because they do alot to support the sport in terms of table prized and support for competitions. Aug 22, 2012 · Bartlein, Krieger, Obermeyer. I. I just got a Bartlein for a new build but may order a ACE for the next one Oct 3, 2020 · This came about because of a back and forth about some camps stating a Krieger 4 groove was more accurate in 308 than a Bartlein 5R. My GAP rifle had a Rock Creek, so when I needed barrels I went with them, Then I had alway heard good things about Shilen and went with a couple of those. No complaints but I've not shot it for groups. Apr 17, 2020 · Alright winds were much calmer tonight then this morning so the 100yd Krieger test was a success. With Barrel mfg options like Bartlein, Brux, Hawk Hill, Krieger, Rock Creek, Proof research and Mullerworks how can you go wrong. Minuteman. 1 custom build choice in the UK but lost that position thanks to supply difficulties / year plus waiting times as others have said. 95 shipping), to 340. I am thinking a LT Palma or a Sendero in a Bartlein or a Krieger. They are (or were) advertised as Shilen barrels with the ratchet rifling. Ordering a Krieger or other non prefit gets too expensive with the gunsmith charges. They offer a nice package of barrel / bolt combination for AR's. Feb 11, 2024 · I prefer Bartlein myself. Apr 12, 2022 · Shilen rachet vs standard? Thread starter 1911nut; Start date Apr 12, 2022; My most accurate barrel is a cut rifling 4 grove krieger barrel and it is very easy to clean usually only requiring a few wet patches before they start to come out completely white but I’m positive there’s a 6 grove shilen or hart barrel that’s as accurate or Dec 3, 2014 · Actually they run from 100. Not trying to poke at Benchmark, Hart, Shilen etc What we have found along with a host of Mar 2, 2019 · Bartlein, Krieger and Hawk Hill have all been good barrels. I have years of test data for 6BR and Nov 14, 2014 · The contours shown are for Bartlein barrels. So are we saying forget these new profiles and run with cut rifling,or the fad actually has merit? Dec 27, 2017 · I've had real good luck with Krieger and Lilja. CRITERION vs. I have ran more bartlein steel barrels than any other brand combined. 00, Benchmark barrels from Third Generation (9. He said that things have changed for May 14, 2016 · So if I'm reading you right you're saying bartlein and krieger are on par with each other so far and the shilen were great but required more cleaning vs the other 2. Reactions: Mcgowen vs shilen vs criterion. Barrel was garbage. So I was pretty bummed. Nov 20, 2008 · Both are great. ive only Oct 7, 2021 · Has there ever done SERIOUS accuracy comparing test where are tested Krieger,Bartlein,Shilen, Muller SERIOUSLY? I know, I know,Best test is choices what best RFBR shooters are using/choicing and they have used long time button rifled barrels!!!They try always use best possible equipments available ofcourse. This may well be because the Krieger is on a BAT action and the Bartlein on a B78. For our work on 7. Between the Dec 4, 2008 · I have a Shilen Select Match barrel on my 7stw and it shoots great, but the others say Kreiger so you have to give them serious weight in your decision. ” —Mark Twain Jan 3, 2014 · BugHoles. The average "premium" non fluted blanks generally run from 295. Dec 26, 2023 · You can trust Krieger's close second, and their customer service, before, and after the sale. Steelflight. Krieger, Lilja, Shilen, and Pac Nor top my list. However, Bartlein and Krieger are hands down the best barrels out there. Krieger is great of course as is Brux. FuhQ Unreconstructed. There's a lot of good info in the thread Barrels 2020 that you may find interesting or helpful. 2 days ago · Krieger Bartlein Broughton Lothar Walther Border (cut rifled) - I really would love to try more of these, but the UK AW barrels are pretty damn impressive I have been very let down by the products coming out of Shilen the last several years or so YMMV. Are they worth the extra money? The 2015 Super Shoot equipment list for the top 20 shooters shows Aug 23, 2009 · Equal straightness, equal finish, equal bore tolerances. "Life' is tough. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any of them again Aug 27, 2013 · I have 2 Shilen 224cal in the Ratchet groove, bot are chambered in 222 rem and shoot extremely well, as good an any others,( Brux, Bartlein and Kreiger )that I have. They are cut barrels and the owner is extremely knowledgeable about machining and metallurgy. Flip a coin. Krieger used to be the No. Krieger’s single-point cut-rifled barrels are Dec 12, 2020 · Yes, Brux, Bartlein, Krieger, etc are typically better than McGowan. All things being equal. Shilen vs criterion and other Jan 13, 2025 · They're better than a factory barrel, but not on the same level as a premium barrel like a Shilen, Brux, Bartlein, etc. It was very frustrating and when I called hart and told them about the problem they wouldn't replace their barrel, giving me the runaround about Oct 21, 2013 · Barrel life of CLE Krieger/Bartlein (I know they shoot amazing) At the end of the day, I have 2 LMT’s already (12. 5-7LRM. Major-Dani Membre vétéran Messages: 9261 Date d'inscription: 07/02/2016 Apr 8, 2016 · Hawk Hill Custom then Bartlein or Kreiger for custom barrels. How's barrel do you guys think would do the best for this project. Will only say at this point that I'd rather hear from someone like Kevin Nevious than Bill Calfee. 5BR Sergeant. I decide to change twist so that 30-06 I put a Bartlein 5r 1/11 twist then for back up put Lilja 1/11 twist also chamber for the 30-06 using same reamer I Feb 17, 2025 · 1-Tie between Bartlein and Krieger 2-Lilja 3-Hart 4-Shilen I have used Bartlein, Krieger and Lilja. Both are good shooters but the Krieger is better. I have one Shilen in a 35 Whelen. Apr 7, 2014 · I just have a question for you all. I await their pricing. Bartlein owners use to work for Krieger. I personaly believe the person chambering and crowning the barrel will be more of a factor than brand name. That said, Pac-Nor built many good shooting rifles in past - and Hart did one, but I had some issues w/them, and would not do biz again. Same contour, Dec 5, 2017 · Personally, have used Shilen, Hart and Bartlein from the US, and a couple from Australia. Shilen improved 1/4 moa. When building a PRS style rifle in 6BRX should I get a McGowan, Shilen, or Xcaliber barrel. Feb 7, 2011 · They are in a completely different class from bartlein, Krieger, obermayer, brux, Schneider, rock etc. 's; one with a Krieger 4 groove and one with a Bartlein 5r. The art form is at its zenith right now. And those are push button barrels! Right now Bartlein and Krieger own the benchrest Apr 12, 2018 · Bartlein issue was early last year. My top 2 pics are Hart and Krieger. I can't see ten cents worth of difference in any of them. If I felt the need for that level of accuracy potential in a 10/22, I wouldn't hesitate Feb 22, 2021 · In researching this I found the most recent discussion is about two years old. Oct 6, 2007 809 2 LA. Same holds true with the action I am looking at. davebir. With a steady flow of Jan 10, 2020 · If you look at most equipment lists of the top scoring competitors at most national level competitions, probably 50-75% are using Bartlein barrels. com – Stocks Krieger, Shilen, Hart, and Brux; Grizzly. Both clean up very well and the Krieger is 25' faster, but again, has a melonited barrel. 5mm. 260 and 6. " ~ John Wayne “Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. Joined Sep 23, 2012 Messages 316. I know they aren't proofed over there,but the difference in price is staggering. C. 308 and it was absolutely perfect laser beam had one shilen match (have another 6mm blank waiting) but that was another laser beam . Using a rem 700 la Feb 19, 2014 · Hard to go wrong with a Bartlein, Krieger, Brux or Rock cut rifle in contour and twist desired, and go w/ a reputable smith. I've got two Krieger's and one Rock and May 19, 2020 · I keep saying this with each barrel, but more so now then ever, I cannot wait to shoot this Bartlein at 100yds!! Since everyone always asks, this Bartlein is the same exact barrel specs as all the others tested. The stainless is in a MCMillan M40 A1 stock in forest camo and is my favorite rifle. Will I be disappointed with the LMT stainless barrel accuracy vs the CLE option or is it Aug 21, 2012 · KRIEGER vs. Winds pretty consistent 3-5mph. McGowen vs X-Caliber. Part of my decision on Mar 2, 2019 · I’ve used all three. Have several Bartlein but never tried a Brux. Posted: 2/25/2021 4:26:28 PM EST [#14] The only barrel Apr 9, 2014 · I have tried to buy a cut barrel (Bartlein or Krieger) however the ONLY two viable choices currently available in the country are: - Lothar Walter Palma Match (Stainless Steel LW50) - Shilen Select Match (Stainless Steel 416) Both have pretty much the same contours, are lapped and have a c. Aug 26, 2013 8,273 9,669 Your Wife's Pussy. Curiosity struck and got the Kriegers. Nov 19, 2011 · George Gardner likes Bartlein barrels. S. He says that the Shilen, Douglas and Lilja barrels can be a crap shoot if it is a good one or not. Strickland Sergeant. Some stating the Bartlein 5R was more accurate, some stating they were equally accurate. Jun 18, 2007 · I also have 2 custom chambered bartleins. There may be May 25, 2010 · I have a slot for a 6mm barrel,I am looking at a Bartlein from Fox Firearms but Jackson rifles are the agents for Bergara. button rifled is a long-standing debate in the shooting world, and it is beyond the scope of this article. To even mention their name in the same sentence as Bartlein, Broughton, Kreiger, Shilen, Brux etc is a sin. Accessories Bartlein Carbon 338 Remington barrel. 542 pounds gbp for a product that costs about half that after it's been flown to the USA. Kreiger would take longer and cost about $100 more. No particular reason other than I hear raves about Bartlein and they are doing well in shortrange benchrest. Other? WinnieTheBoom. It is twisted 1/12. Kind of unbelievable. Mar 9, 2018 · I've shot Krieger, Bartlein, Lothar Walther, Benchmark, Hawk Hill, K&P, Green Mountain, and a Proof stainless in 6 Dasher, 6. We chamber, install, and shoot all of these manufacturers, and know what is working. 357Mag. Have both the CLE Bartlein and Krieger also a Keystone Bartlein. I would wait for the Shilen, with Benchmark as my second choice. 04-30-2015, 09:49 PM. I got dog piled pretty bad. 00 in CM and 200. The 0. But as important as barrel quality is the chamber job. Go. I did notice the cylinder section at the breech of the Palma Contours varied some for the Krieger barrels (Krieger’s was 1/2″ shorter than what is shown here). I sold that 40X, but always wondered if the Benchmark didn't get a fair shake with that reamer issue. Rdb496; May 9, 2021; 2 3. Have them on a 22 LR, just ordered a 22 cal 29" 8 twist heavy varmint for a 223 build yesterday, 264 Win Mag, 7-300 Win Mag, and two 300 Win Mags. I do like the way the Shilen, Bartlein and X-Caliber's Jun 19, 2009 · Of the three I'ld pick Rock. In fact, Matthew Brousseau won the PRS for the second year in a row, and he was using a Krieger barrel. I had the shilen set back and rechambered by the same smith that did the barlein barrels. 25 moa or better if I do my part. T. Aug 20, 2012 #16 Aug 20, 2012 #16 Re: Bartlein, Brux, or RockCreek? Cut rifled choice? Tman - Oct 13, 2020 · Krieger, Bartlein, Lilja, Bencharmk et action Zermatt RimX 22LR. 00 for Bartlein and Kreiger blanks . Replies 33 Views 16K. I have and have owned rifles with Bartlein, Krieger and Shilen. Here is why I am asking: - kicking off a custom build - Historically, have seen Kreiger portrayed as the gold standard of cut rifled barrels. In fact, just a few years ago, Shilen was the darling of the group shooters. Nov 24, 2013 · With the exception of my shilen opening up after a few rounds due to its light weight (hunting rifle), it damn near keeps up with my krieger mtu, even at 2" shorter (at 400 yds). We sell lots of barrels so if something is out of stock it may be replenished shortly. Krieger, Hart, Apr 17, 2020 · It always shot ok, but several Kriegers, a Lilja titebore, one Bartlein, and a couple of Shilen ratchet rifled bbls were as good or better with SK, Lapua, and Eley ammo. 00 in SS) all the way up to 900+ for Proof Research carbon fiber blanks. They were shooters, too. Today I think Krieger is probably the top of the tier 1s with 4 days ago · Checked both Krieger and Bartlein and their ship dates are 4 to 6 months out. The market is awash in premium quality barrels. I've got it all ready just need a barrel, I know what caliber I want (284) but to be honest I've never heard of a criterion at all. Tony1320; Jun 27, 2017; Big Stuff--7mm, 30 Feb 9, 2018 · Shilen vs criterion and other info (Bugholes. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Dec 23, 2008 #11 Apr 12, 2022 · My most accurate barrel is a cut rifling 4 grove krieger barrel and it is very easy to clean usually only requiring a few wet patches before they start to come out completely white but I’m positive there’s a 6 grove shilen or hart barrel that’s as accurate or more accurate than mine but maybe they would take a little bit longer to clean Oct 11, 2020 · Comparing the Bartlein and Krieger OCW's, it seems the Bartlein favors the 175 SMK's across the charge weights consistency wise and the Kreiger favored the 175 TMK's. Et d'autres surement . com – Stocks Bartlein; Cut Rifling vs. Sep 16, 2013 #12 Dec 25, 2023 · Thats why Ill be testing a 6mm and 224 ACE blank to compare to my large qty of barrels from Krieger, Mullerworks, Bartlein, Hawk Hill, Osprey, Wilson and Green Mountain in the safe. com) comes to mind. 308. Nevermind the fact that half of the jacket stays in the barrel. I have one Muller, 7T 223, jeez, what a shooter, not a copper fouler either. Bartlein has the gain twist and left hand stuff cornered. Krieger - 22-250 AI - 5 shot groups in the LOW teens with Blitz Kings going well over 4000 FPS - several thousand rounds through it now and it still shoots around 1/2 MOA. Button Rifling. 5 grendel's. Krieger barrels on several R700 bolt guns in . All three are excellent barrels. They were also very nice when i ordered a barrel and delivery was under ETA. 850 straight and a length of 24” I looked at the list of equipment that top competitors are using and Shilen has much more presence than Benchmark. STR Gunny Sergeant. Barrels are flawless. Both Craddock and Compass Lake use top of the line blanks: Krieger, Bartlein, Douglas, Criterion (for the most part). Sep 22, 2008 · You may also want to check out Bartlein , Brux and McGowan barrels the first two have been making a big up comming and winning alot of shoots the McGowan barrels are supposed to be very well made also but they are fighting alot of damage to the name of the former owner. Any thoughts are much appreciated! Dec 17, 2009 · I had a Kreiger SS 1/10 twist barrel 30-06 and it was better than 1/2" group rifle. If all I could get was Brux or Krieger May 14, 2016 · So if I'm reading you right you're saying bartlein and krieger are on par with each other so far and the shilen were great but required more cleaning vs the other 2. 00-360. May 26, 2016 · I've had good results with Shilen in the past but never owned a Bartlein. The Lilja barrels I've used in 6. with the custom barrels such as shilen krieger or who ever is more than likely going to shoot very very well. 5 Creedmoor, 308, 6XC, 25 Creedmoor, 6 Creedmoor, 300WM, 338LM, etc. Terry Cross uses Krieger. I’m still hesitant on bartlein due to Jan 9, 2017 · I have been torn between going with the cheaper LaRue or the more expensive Bartlein or Krieger. It's even tougher if you're stupid. To recap, the Krieger shot the best 50yd results of the barrels tested so far, just barely beating the Bartlein but it was so close you can call the 50yd results equal (. 5x47 have had 2-3 kriegers all were great 260 and 6. 62 gas guns, we use Bartlein and Criterion blanks. May 19, 2013 · How is the Rainier ultra match vs a CLE Bartlein or Krieger? Just curious. I know bartlein is in a different league, and both shoot incredible . That says a lot. Oct 1, 2003 378 2 54 Mansfield, Texas If you are going to pay for a select shilen or ultra dougy then you are in the price range of a kreiger or rock creek and I would take one of those over shilen or douglas. 850 straight seems just a better fit for the factory varmint walnut stock. Especially when you go with 24” length. Bartlein: Brux: Krieger: MullerWorks: Carbon Fiber Wrapped: Shop by bore size: We've got lots of barrels to choose from, 6 manufacturers total now. Aug 18, 2021 · 25 to 30 years ago I would have said Douglas or Shilen as I had a couple of customs built in the 90s with them that shot lights out. Jun 11, 2005 151 2 74 middle GA. Both are good and I have had no issues cutting chambers on either, and they all shot well. Show hidden low quality content. Jan 1 Nov 4, 2017 · Brux, Broughton, Krieger, Pac-Nor, Shilen, Lilja, Noveske and Bartlein are all top tier, expensive and may or may not shoot any better. par Nounours_43 13/10/2020, 18:34. 260 Mar 20, 2014 · It was a switch barrel action and the other barrel (krieger) shot very well and the hart couldn't group less than 4" at 300 yds with multiple combos (250+ shots) of powder, bullets, seating depth, etc. Feb 2, 2017 · I’ve made up my mind. I've built rifles with all of them but the Hawk Hills always stand out. Criterion doesn’t offer BRX. - Feb 11, 2025 · But obviously, Rock, Bartlein, Brux, Krieger, and Obermeyer, would all be great choices. My preference is Bartlein but have done a lot of Krieger and have now used a couple of Brux for smokeless muzzleloaders. Kreiger, Pac-Nor, and a Shilen. indicated that smaller aggs may not be the case. Stainless Select Match from the Barrelman, was shipped in a reasonalbe time frame. It shoots 155 NCCs like lazer beams. 377 posts · Joined 2012 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Aug 22, 2012 (Edited May 19, 2018 · I'm far too new to this 22RF game to have an opinion, but with looking forward to doing a bbl for a V-22S, and having Bartlein & Shilen blanks for it, I'm very interested in hearing opinions based on experience. Oct 17, 2013 · I have two 30/375 S. com – Stocks Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, Rock Creek, Obermeyer, and MullerWorks; BrunoShooters. Aug 20, 2012 #3 65BR - Howdy ! I also own all three of the B's along with a PacNor SM and several Krieger's and Shilen's. In 20+ Bartlein barrels, I’ve yet to have a dud. bdthvl hzsceb djwjvh kkhgp wgtbrg wqa anig kyly qgqrtvx eldkkr vnjbqoj mffq qhtm mng chk